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Post by BaseBallers on Apr 7, 2012 16:59:57 GMT -8
I'd like to hear people's opinions on this one. Colorado Cubs brought up a good discussion with his attempt to draft Soler. My understanding this whole time that everyone knew we could not draft a player that was not affiliated with a major league team. He pointed out that technically the rules do not state that.
I am leaving this up to the decision of the league. Should we allow drafting of players who are not affiliated with a major league team? If so, what should the cut off line be? Should we draft college players? High school players? Let's hear the league's thoughts.
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Post by Colorado Cubs on Apr 8, 2012 6:16:32 GMT -8
I am honestly torn on this one. I can see both sides of the argument and I can't decide which is the lesser evil. I didn't know that we were limited to MLB signed players. I've never really been into scouting prospects to the point of high school raw talent types. I've only recently spent much time scouting the prospects that I have drafted in this league. The only reason I have heard of Soler is because he has been in the news recently with all the rumors of the Cubs courting him while he is trying to establish residency in the Dominican.
Marty brought up an excellent point in that, if we can draft anybody, then we can draft high school kids as well, and that would have meant that Bryce Harper would have been picked long ago (by someone such as him who have been following him since he was 14) instead of going to the top pick in our draft after he was signed.
The other side of the argument, as I see it, is that if you want to take a chance on a long term high-upside high-risk youngster it is your risk to take. If you are spending one of your draft picks on such a player like Harper, you are doing so when he is like 16 years old and he is 4 or 5 years removed from playing in the big leagues. If someone else want to spend one of their 3 draft picks on such a long term risky prospect I'm happy they did so because there are more "safer" picks available in the draft for me. And if I want to spend one of my draft picks on such a long-term risky pick then it is my risk to take.
I don't know which way I am leaning now. Maybe away from my original position and more towards Marty's. One thing that I don't like about waiting until they are signed by an MLB team is that there are international signings that can take place during our AOBB minors draft. So, for instance, let's say Yu Darvish hadn't signed yet before the first pick of the draft (much like Soler isn't signed now but Darvish's 1st pick spot does a better job of expressing my point) but signed at the end of our draft's first round. That would meant that Darvish would have gone to one of the teams that won the most games the previous year.
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Post by bayareaballers on Apr 9, 2012 17:15:38 GMT -8
im new to this but i think its easier if we just keep to minor leahuers. i dont know many college oe hihg school players or cubans
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Post by blus4ala on Apr 9, 2012 19:05:16 GMT -8
I am going to have to side with Baycity's point of view.
I don't support my own ignorance of future MLB prospects, but I find it hard to find where to draw the line between whom should be claimable and who should not. I suggest a strict rule that the restricts selections of players to that which have been claimed by MLB teams. Again a line may need to be drawn regarding players that are drafted in June then opt for college... but I doubt many of us here will be all that interested in burning a precious pick to wait those types of guys out.
Could a GM this time last year make a claim (on a hunch) that Darvish would move stateside? Could someone of taken Strasburg, Harper, Cole (or a Kris Benson for that matter) 3 months before their respective amateur draft dates?
IMHO: Darvish wound up on the right team in this league. Next year Mark Appel and Lance McCullers will end up on the teams deserving the right to have the best shot at rebuilding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 4:35:31 GMT -8
Should we allow drafting of players who are not affiliated with a major league team? No.
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Post by Colorado Cubs on Apr 10, 2012 5:33:40 GMT -8
I'm pretty much in agreement with everyone here. but what do we do if I repick now and soler establishes residency and signs with someone before the end of the draft? I agree that it worked out for Darvish but what if Darvish hadn't signed by the time our draft started? I am happy to repick and I am not arguing for Soler, I'm just thinking of how this could affect future drafts, thats all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 6:37:07 GMT -8
yeah i thought we all had the understanding that you had to be signed by a mlb team to be eligible for our draft...maybe i didnt pay THAT much attention to the wording but i thought it was clear...whether the language in the league rules is iffy is another story, but i thought we all knew what was implied for the last 5 years...if not, yu darvish woulda been drafted at least last year, he's been a known commodity for a while...i can guarantee i wouldve had yu on my roster before this year if we could...and "once in a generation" hyped up prospects like harper and strasburg absolutely wouldve been drafted by us before they were actually drafted by mlb...so i think its a no-brainer, we keep doing it like we have been...in the case an international player signs in the middle of our draft, i think we should simply say a player has to be signed to a mlb team BEFORE we start our draft on any given year to be eligible for our draft...otherwise wait till next year or for him to establish eligibility with mlb playing time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 7:25:57 GMT -8
Well, there goes my next years first round pick. I was all psyched to take this kid I saw tear it up in last years LLWS.
In regards to the less serious matters. I suggest that if a player hasn't signed by the first pick of that years draft, but sign prior to the end of the draft, they are not eligible to be drafted in the current year and follow standard waiver wire rules for players not meeting minimum requirements. I apologize if someone suggested something similar earlier in the thread, but I kinda skimmed the text.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 7:44:24 GMT -8
In regards to the less serious matters. I suggest that if a player hasn't signed by the first pick of that years draft, but sign prior to the end of the draft, they are not eligible to be drafted in the current year and follow standard waiver wire rules for players not meeting minimum requirements. I apologize if someone suggested something similar earlier in the thread, but I kinda skimmed the text. I agree with this. |
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Post by Colorado Cubs on Apr 10, 2012 8:01:42 GMT -8
In regards to the less serious matters. I suggest that if a player hasn't signed by the first pick of that years draft, but sign prior to the end of the draft, they are not eligible to be drafted in the current year and follow standard waiver wire rules for players not meeting minimum requirements. I apologize if someone suggested something similar earlier in the thread, but I kinda skimmed the text. I agree with this. Sounds ok to me. |
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Post by TeamGoleta on Apr 12, 2012 8:41:03 GMT -8
I agree with only drafting players once they have become a professional athlete in the USA (hence being affiliated with a major league team in the MLB.) If they havent been drafted by the start of our draft, they are inelgible to be drafted until the following year.
Basically I agree with what the masses are saying!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 17:42:19 GMT -8
I was shocked when the player from Cuba was drafted. I always thought that players had to be affiliated with a minor league team ...
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